Passengers wont load

[PaulH]

I have passengers on the platform and both "Stop at" and "Load Passengers" instructions in the scenario but when I press "T" the doors stay firmly shut.

What have I done wrong now?

Paul

[AndiS]

No idea really, but if I were to try, I would make sure to avoid the following.

Use a train that you have seen to open the doors when you press T in some scenario on some route. (To rule out something bad with the train.)

Make the platform marker really long, to be 100% sure that the whole of the train certainly is contained it it when stopping.

Ditch the stop-at instruction. It might eat up the mission step "get to X" and then the passenger instruction does not see you arriving at X as you are already there.

Be sure that your Train Type in Scenario Editor is passenger train. That is, some sort of passenger train, there are some 10 train types. No idea if a freight train can load passengers.

Maybe build a little test route where you put in a platform that you saw working elsewhere and some way down the route the one that you use and perform a passenger load at each and see if there is a difference. If one works and the other does not, then something about your platform is wrong. I would be surprised if you can have a platform that is automatically populated with passengers over time but is not platform enough to do the passenger loading. But what do I know about platforms?

There have been sunken tracks between the track proper and the platform but you will not have that in your route. Be sure to check that you have exactly one platform there. You would not be the first to superimpose two instances of an object or bury one under the other, especially with lofts like platforms.

Open the little window that shows you your scenario progress / success. It should tell you when you arrive and such. Compare what you see with a working scenario elsewhere. I have very vague memories about circles changing colour and timers running and such.

[PaulH]

Use a train that you have seen to open the doors when you press T in some scenario on some route. (To rule out something bad with the train.)

The problem I am experiencing is in a test scenario starting at Trawsfynydd (doors don't open), stopping at Maentwrog Road (doors open and passengers load/unload), Festiniog (doors don't open), Manod (doors don't open) and terminating at Blaenau (doors open and passengers load/unload). The train is a pannier and two B-set coaches and obviously works fine as the doors operate a two stations. All of the above stations except for Blaenau use Exeter-Kingswear (EK) platforms with the separate INV platform for spawning passengers. Passengers spawn at all 4 stations. The platform at Blaenau is ex Woodhead (WH) and includes passengers without the use of an INV platform.

Make the platform marker really long, to be 100% sure that the whole of the train certainly is contained it it when stopping.

The platform markers run the full length of all platforms.

Ditch the stop-at instruction. It might eat up the mission step "get to X" and then the passenger instruction does not see you arriving at X as you are already there.

Done - no change.

Be sure that your Train Type in Scenario Editor is passenger train.

Train type is stopping passenger.

.....build a little test route ......

Done that. I built a simple single track 2 miles long, no signals or points with a EK pairing (platform and INV platform) at the start and the middle and a WH platform at the end. All complied with the conditions outlined in your post Andis. I then created a 3 stop scenario.

All platforms were populated. At the first stop (EK platform) the doors opened and boarding etc commenced. At the next stop (EK platform) the doors wouldn't open. At the final stop (WH platform) the doors opened and boarding etc commenced.

This was as simple a route as it could possibly be, no points or crossings, no signals, straight plain track with few joints and no joints in the platforms, long platforms with full length markers, fully populated along their entire length. What could possibly be wrong with the route or the train. It seems to me that there is some inherent unreliability in the EK INV platforms.

The next step is to delete all EK platforms and replace them with WH versions.

Groan!

Paul

[PaulH]

STOP PRESS

I've deleted the EK platforms at Trawsfynydd and replaced them with WH versions. When I run the scenario and THE DOORS OPEN AND PASSENGERS LOAD!!!!

I will now replace all other platforms.

[AndiS]

This is where I lost touch with this game. You (like everyone) have a ton of payware, all from professional sources, most from the same major source.

In theory they ought to be free from error. In practice they are not. But sifting through forum posts is not the straight way to truth because many people mix in a load of emotions.

The step forward would be to buy all their addons to be able to help people out of the mistakes the original creators made. In practice, I did not reinstall Steam when the Windows machine crashed and I rarely touch it these days and I spend next to no time train simming.

In your case, I can only advise to stick with the one platform (or combination) that works. I am not aware of a way in which platforms could be incompatible and I cannot remember specific posts about the platforms of either route. But I know nothing about platforms, actually.

[PaulH]

This is where I lost touch with this game.

I can fully understand your sentiment there AndiS...... however, I have got the signals working and the platforms operating (after a fashion) so what can possibly go wrong next?

Hahahahahahahahahaha! The answer to that question is plenty, of course.

And there's the rub! This is possibly the most capricious bit of software ever written - beautiful to look at and (when it works) extremely satisfying but at the same time full of pitfalls and potholes. I have had so many occasions where after literally months of work I am left with something that is so full of annoying bugs I have just abandoned it and sworn never to touch it again. I think it's dying a death anyway - looking through this forum you seem to be one of few active members and the replacement, Train Sim World, is wonderful to look at but not suitable for amateurs like me to actually create anything. Sadly it was always the creative aspect that I enjoyed the most.

Thanks for your help anyway.

Paul