Home + Distant + Distant signal

[albinopigeon]

Hi all,

I have another request in my signal creation saga. I got the Bournemouth West (three home arms + co-acting arm + route indicator) working my original way (i.e. classing the indicator as a co-acting arm and specifying the right animations) without a hitch, so onto the next challenge:

I'm trying to make this signal, which is composed of two dolls, one with a home + distant arrangement and one with a single distant arm. These correspond to the next signal which is a standard junction signal with two home arms.



And below is the code that I've set up for it, minus the sound component:

require "Assets/AndiS/FPSignals/scripts/FP Universal Semaphore.out"

function Initialise ()
DefaultInitialise() -- no need to give the route count here

gArmTable[1][ARM_HOME][SEM_CHILD_NAME] = "ARM_HOME1"
gArmTable[1][ARM_HOME][SEM_PROCEED_ANIM] = "Clear01"
gArmTable[1][ARM_HOME][SEM_BLOCKED_ANIM] = "Stop01"

gArmTable[1][ARM_DISTANT][SEM_CHILD_NAME] = "ARM_DIST1"
gArmTable[1][ARM_DISTANT][SEM_PROCEED_ANIM] = "Clear01"
gArmTable[1][ARM_DISTANT][SEM_BLOCKED_ANIM] = "Stop01"

gArmTable[1][ARM_DISTANT][SEM_CHILD_NAME] = "ARM_DIST2"
gArmTable[1][ARM_DISTANT][SEM_PROCEED_ANIM] = "Clear01"
gArmTable[1][ARM_DISTANT][SEM_BLOCKED_ANIM] = "Stop01"

end

This uses the philosophy of ARM_DISTx corresponding to ARM_HOMEx and ARM_DISTy corresponding to ARM_HOMEy.

I've tried swapping the second distant arm over to a separate doll by numbering it with a 2 next to gArmTable instead of a 1 but that did not seem to work, and I can't see how requiring the distant base script would work.

Any ideas?

[AndiS]

The script don't care about the child names. So they are not influenced by your using ARM_DIST1 there.

ARM_DISTx is an alternative to ARM_HOME and ARM_DISTANT.

You actually only need to alter the last triplet of lines.

gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST2][SEM_CHILD_NAME] = "ARM_DIST2"
gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST2][SEM_PROCEED_ANIM] = "Clear01"
gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST2][SEM_BLOCKED_ANIM] = "Stop01"

ARM_DISTANT actually equals ARM_DIST1, so I saved myself a bit of typing but for elegance, it is suggested to use ARM_DIST1 when there is ARM_DIST2.

[albinopigeon]

Ah, that makes sense to me!

Only problem is this: only the main distant arm, i.e. DIST1 is going up and staying up when the junction signal in the background changes. Like so:





This is the script I've used for it, changed with what you recommended:

gArmTable[1][ARM_HOME][SEM_CHILD_NAME] = "ARM_HOME1"
gArmTable[1][ARM_HOME][SEM_PROCEED_ANIM] = "Clear01"
gArmTable[1][ARM_HOME][SEM_BLOCKED_ANIM] = "Stop01"

gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST1][SEM_CHILD_NAME] = "ARM_DIST1"
gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST1][SEM_PROCEED_ANIM] = "Clear01"
gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST1][SEM_BLOCKED_ANIM] = "Stop01"

gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST2][SEM_CHILD_NAME] = "ARM_DIST2"
gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST2][SEM_PROCEED_ANIM] = "Clear01"
gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST2][SEM_BLOCKED_ANIM] = "Stop01"

Maybe I'm just missing something though, I'm still quite new to this!

[AndiS]

First question: When you swap this signal (with 1 stop, 2 distant arms) for a 2-arm distant, does that work fine. If not, the blame is on the junction signal, for whatever reason.

Second (hopeless) question: The name of the child for the second distant arm surely is ARM_DIST2 - right? If not, I'm saved.

Otherwise, I ought to start thinking hard.

Maybe Ken has a sample of this configuration somewhere that works, so we can narrow down the differences. Not idea where to start looking ....

[Auscgu]

I have checked my script and signal.
Looks the same as mine but I think this is a simple test route set up problem.

Route 1 Home & Distant clear.

Route 2 Home and Distant clear.

To test distant arms you need 2 sections ahead to clear the arms.
I code them.
Dist
Home $F
Home $B
Home Home f f
Split Dist $B

[Auscgu]

I have tested some of Joe's signals on my signal test route.

The signal links
Link 1 is the the tallest arm Right
Link 2 is the lower arm Left

Link 1 Right route but left arm clears

Link 2 Left route but right arm clears

This is a simple link convention issue
For all signals except specials I use the top to bottom left to right rule.
Always read the tallest arm to lower arm by left to right.
Your signal Link 1 is the right route and Link 2 the left route.

Specials are driven by route number and are associated with route indicators or call on.

[AndiS]

I have checked my script and signal.
Looks the same as mine but I think this is a simple test route set up problem.

$matches[2]

Route 1 Home & Distant clear.

$matches[2]

Route 2 Home and Distant clear.

Could you post your gArmTable here, for both signals.

I am a bit at a loss how it could wrong here. I believe that even if the junction signal would be numbered right to left, it would still operate the two distant arms.

I do hope that there is one of those infuriating small glitches somewhere that make this job so much "fun". Maybe the child named ARM_DIST2 points to the same arm blueprint as ARM_DIST1.

[Auscgu]

The script for the AWs_BR(WR) 4ft Jct BS MS Arms 2T

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-- A main signal with two stop arms and no distant arms
--

require "Assets/AndiS/FPSignals/scripts/FP Universal Semaphore.out"

function Initialise ()
   DefaultInitialise()   -- no need to give the route count here

   gArmTable[1][ARM_HOME][SEM_CHILD_NAME]         = "Home 1"
   gArmTable[1][ARM_HOME][SEM_PROCEED_ANIM]      = "Clear01"
   gArmTable[1][ARM_HOME][SEM_BLOCKED_ANIM]      = "Stop01"

   gArmTable[2][ARM_HOME][SEM_CHILD_NAME]         = "Home 2"
   gArmTable[2][ARM_HOME][SEM_PROCEED_ANIM]      = "Clear02"
   gArmTable[2][ARM_HOME][SEM_BLOCKED_ANIM]      = "Stop02"

end


The code for the BR(WR)-4ft-Jct-BD-MSD 6Ft

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-- A main signal with a stop arm and two distant arms
--

require "Assets/AndiS/FPSignals/scripts/FP Universal Semaphore.out"

function Initialise ()
   DefaultInitialise()   -- no need to give the route count here

   gArmTable[1][ARM_HOME][SEM_CHILD_NAME]         = "Home 1"
   gArmTable[1][ARM_HOME][SEM_PROCEED_ANIM]      = "Clear01"
   gArmTable[1][ARM_HOME][SEM_BLOCKED_ANIM]      = "Stop01"

   gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST1][SEM_CHILD_NAME]         = "Dist 1"
   gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST1][SEM_PROCEED_ANIM]      = "Clear01"
   gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST1][SEM_BLOCKED_ANIM]      = "Stop01"

   gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST2][SEM_CHILD_NAME]         = "Dist 2"
   gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST2][SEM_PROCEED_ANIM]      = "Clear02"
   gArmTable[1][ARM_DIST2][SEM_BLOCKED_ANIM]      = "Stop02"

end


[Auscgu]

There is a difference
I found I had to use a different arm .ban file for the signals.
In reality it the same .ban file but with a separate path file or separate path.

I tried it with the both the Home and Distant arms using Clear01 and Stop01.
It does not work in my build.

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   gArmTable[2][ARM_HOME][SEM_CHILD_NAME]         = "Home 2"
   gArmTable[2][ARM_HOME][SEM_PROCEED_ANIM]      = "Clear01"
   gArmTable[2][ARM_HOME][SEM_BLOCKED_ANIM]      = "Stop01"


This has been a constant problem and the solution for me is the alternate path for the arms to clear.

This was already provided in the JYelland signals and I expanded it.
M Brinton/A Brailsford also provide this but with a combined file.

JYelland
Arm file BR(WR)-4ft-stop-arm-02

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               <AnimSet>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="63871296">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Clear02</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">Yelland\Addon\RailNetwork\Signals\UK Semaphore\BR(WR)_Arms\BR(WR)-4ft-stop-arm-clear</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eTrue</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="63870400">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Stop02</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">Yelland\Addon\RailNetwork\Signals\UK Semaphore\BR(WR)_Arms\BR(WR)-4ft-stop-arm-stop</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eFalse</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
               </AnimSet>

M Brinton/A Brailsford
Arm ARM_4f0_Hm1

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               <AnimSet>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="95077528">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Stop01</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_On</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eTrue</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="95080728">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Clear01</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_Off</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eTrue</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="95080248">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Stop02</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_On</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eTrue</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="95081528">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Clear02</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_Off</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eTrue</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="95080568">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Stop03</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_On</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eTrue</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="95087288">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Clear03</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_Off</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eTrue</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="95086648">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Stop04</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_On</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eTrue</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="95085208">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Clear04</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_Off</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eTrue</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="95086168">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Stop05</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_On</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eFalse</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="95086328">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Clear05</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_Off</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eFalse</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="95087128">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Stop06</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_On</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eFalse</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="95087608">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Clear06</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_Off</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eFalse</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="71650560">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Stop07</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_On</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eFalse</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="71647360">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Clear07</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_Off</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eFalse</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="71648960">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Stop08</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_On</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eFalse</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
                  <iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation d:id="40133280">
                     <AnimationID d:type="cDeltaString">Clear08</AnimationID>
                     <AnimationName d:type="cDeltaString">ALGB\LNW_Signals\ARM_4f0_Hm1_To_Off</AnimationName>
                     <AnimateInEditor d:type="cDeltaString">eFalse</AnimateInEditor>
                  </iAnimObjectRenderBlueprint-cAnimation>
               </AnimSet>

[AndiS]

Now this get funny. I feel retraumatisation coming my way.

Arrogant me always maintained that if it just the same arm then for the sake of modularity you should have one child blueprint for all uses. And I did test. My FP K Wood HH R in the Kuju assets refers to the same UqArm_home01.xml for both dolls.

But my FP K Wood HDD 1T in the same kit refers to UqArm_dist01.xml and UqArm_dist02.xml for some reason. I am not sure there is a reason, other than copying the original Kuju file.

So while I see no reason from an modelling perspective, I cannot completely rule out that the game gets confused by such arm reuse. I just don't want to believe it could, frankly speaking.